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<div>[[image:Dr William Hutton Forrest Portrait 1820.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Oil painting of Dr William Hutton Forrest, painted in South Carolina, circa 1840]]<br />
'''Dr William Hutton FORREST''' was born on the 19th February 1799 and baptised on 25th March 1799 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0264]]</ref>. He was the sixth child of '''[[James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)|Captain James FORREST]]''' and '''Margaret HUTTON'''.<br />
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William completed his medical school and apprenticeship under his father's cousin, '''[[John FORREST (1761-1822)|Dr John FORREST]]''', of Stirling, and was awarded a Doctorate from Edinburgh on 1st December 1818<ref>Original Affidavit, 1840, in possession of Robert B. Forrest: [certifies that Mr. William Hutton Forrest obtained the Diploma of the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh on 1 Dec 1818]</ref>. He saw no chance of earning a living in Stirling and so a syndicate of friends and relatives, including un-named relatives in Glasgow, put up money to pay for his passage to Cuba, where rumour had it, he could do well. On the way the ship stopped in Charleston, South Carolina for a few days and William liked what he saw. Cuba proved to be dirty and unpleasant, so he went back to Charleston (the syndicate not being too happy about putting up the extra passage money - they were Scots after all) intending to start a practice there. Since there were already several physicians in Charleston he moved inland to Waccamaw, where he was the only doctor and was doing relatively well until he came down with malaria. He moved back to Scotland about 1823, where there was now a vacancy in the medical trade, Dr. John Forrest having died. <br />
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William was a man of wide ranging interests. In 1832, with Dr. John Runciman of Stirling, he wrote a "Report on the Treatment of Malignant Cholera in the Hospitals of Musselburgh, Tranent, and Edinburgh", addressed to the Stirling Board of Health. He was a member of the British Association for the Advancement of Science. He took an active interest in the area around Stirling. In 1830 he wrote a description of his analysis of Airthrey Mineral Springs, not far from Stirling. His work was cited in the 1845 New Statistical Account of Scotland (Vol. 8, Dunbarton, Stirling, Clackmannan). He was a keen botanist as well, and reported on his catalogue of local botanical species. Later in life he served as the Coroner or Medical Examiner for Stirling. His interest in fishing is noted in the biographic sketch below. The last pages of his final physician's appointment book include several fishing flies.<br />
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William is mentioned in '''"Old Faces, Old Places and Old Stories of Stirling"''' by William Drysdale:<br />
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''"The Doctor always had a strong interest in his native town, and did everything he could for its improvement, and evinced a warm solicitude for the comfort of its inhabitants. In 1825 he assisted in the formation of the School of Arts, and for many years was principal attendant at the Stirling Dispensary. Doctor Forrest may also be said to have been the promoter of the Stirling Fishing Club. It was also greatly through his exertions that the town was provided with a supply of excellent water, in recognition of which services he was presented, in September, 1857, with a silver tea service. The Doctor also took a prominent part in the improvement of the sewerage system of the burgh, which had formerly been very defective, the effects of that improvement producing a general desire for greater cleanliness. Old and dilapidated houses disappeared, and more improved buildings and streets were formed. The Doctor was one of those strong-minded and intrepid individuals, who fearlessly encounter every difficulty, and allow no obstacle to interfere with the carrying out of any enterprise for the general benefit which they have entered upon. He was unflinching in his efforts for the public weal, and went straight onwards in his course, undeterred by the cavillings of narrow-minded prejudice on the one hand, or of bitter jealousy on the other. His aim was uninfluenced by all petty considerations of place or power ; he sought his own good in the welfare and comfort of the whole community."''<ref name="oldfaces">[[Old Faces, Old Places and Old Stories of Stirling - William Drysdale (1898)#p94|Old Faces, Old Places and Old Stories of Stirling - William Drysdale (1898) p94]]</ref><br />
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At the 1857 presentation of the silver tea service mentioned above, John Murrie, Esq., banker of Stirling, delivered an address in which he referred to Dr. Forrest's "...fine patriotic feeling which he has all his life long shown for his native town, in doing everything in his power for its improvement, and evincing the warmest solicitude for the comfort of its inhabitants." Murrie went on to state, "that of all the great improvements which have taken place in the town for a great number of years, the Doctor has borne a conspicuous part. In assisting in the formation of the School of Arts, and his able lectures to its members; in aiding by his professional advice the Dispensary, which proved so useful and beneficial to the poor; in carrying out the Sewage; in the erection of the Academy; in short, he has been engaged in one way or another in almost every good work."<br />
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== Family ==<br />
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In Stirling, he married on 24th September 1843 '''Margaret Thompson STEPHENSON'''<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Marriages, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0070 0185]]</ref><ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Marriages, St Ninians, OPR Ref. 488/0060 0321]]</ref>, daughter of '''Andrew STEPHENSON''' and '''Anne MOUBRAY'''. Together they had issue:<br />
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:i. '''[[James FORREST (1844-1887)|Dr James FORREST]]''', born on 19th August 1844 and baptised on 25th September 1844 in Stirling<ref name="JamesAndrew">[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0060 0374]]</ref>.<br />
:ii. '''[[Andrew Stephenson FORREST (1846-1910)|Andrew Stephenson FORREST]]''', born on 28th May 1846 and baptised on 15th July 1846 in Stirling<ref name="JamesAndrew"></ref>.<br />
:iii. '''[[Margaret Anne FORREST (1849-1932)|Margaret Anne FORREST]]''', born on the 25th June 1849 and baptised on 21st August 1849 in Stirling<ref name="MargaretJane">[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0060 0408]]</ref>.<br />
:iv. '''[[Jane FORREST (1851-1920)|Jane FORREST]]''', born on the 10th July 1851 and baptised on 4th September 1851 in Stirling<ref name="MargaretJane"></ref>.<br />
:v. '''[[William Hutton FORREST (1853-1930)|William Hutton FORREST]]''', born on 3rd June 1853 and baptised on 19th August 1853 in Stirling<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0060 0468]]</ref>. <br />
:vi. '''[[Anne Moubray FORREST (1855-1928)|Anne Moubray FORREST]]''', born on 22nd March 1855 in Stirling<ref>[[Statutory Register, Births, Ref. 490/00 0048]]</ref>.<br />
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He died from heart disease on 20th March 1879 at his house at at 1 Pitt Terrace, Stirling<ref>[[Statutory Register, Deaths, Ref. 490/00 0078]]</ref><ref>Family tombstone in Erskine Churchyard, Stirling: ''"Born Stirling 19 Feb 1799. Died Stirling 20 Mar 1879."''</ref><ref>[[Inventory, Contract of Marriage, Deed of Apportionment and Division of William Hutton Forrest (1879) Ref. SC67/36/71 Stirling Sheriff Court]]</ref>, and his wife died shortly after on 24th October 1879<ref>[[Statutory Register, Deaths, Ref. 490/00 0265]]</ref>.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<references/></div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(1715-Unknown)&diff=732James FORREST (1715-Unknown)2009-04-02T15:38:53Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>'''James FORREST''' was a farmer in Wester Hairburnhead (or Harburnhead), West Calder, Midlothian. He was born at Grange, West Calder, Midlothian and baptised on the 8th May 1715<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, West Calder, OPR Ref. 701/0010 0093]]</ref>. <br />
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The [[Kirk Session]] minutes record a petition from the Elders and several others in the Parish of West Calder to the Presbytery ''“That your petitioners were greatly concerned to hear the issue of a late process referred by the Session of this Parish in your Presbytery about James Forrest in Westerhairburnhead, who had given great offence to this Congregation and to several others in the neighbourhood thereof by bleeding six or seven horses on the Lords day without any evident necessity which example was followed by another the very next Sabbath giving them phiseck [medicine] ”''<ref>[[Petition to the presbytery of Linlithgow 25th May 1742, National Archives Scotland Ref. GD215/1223]]</ref>.<br />
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Official records for James’ wife and children cannot be found, however family stories tell that James had a son who was brought up by his uncle Rev David Forrest. James had a bad temper and used to beat his son with a Malacca cane but his wife, on her deathbed, told him to strike him no more; however he threw the stick at his son instead<ref>[[Letter from Jane or Margaret Forrest to Nola Forrest (1918)]]</ref>.<br />
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The son,<br />
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:i. Captain '''[[James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)|James FORREST]]''', was a sailor who, according to the family stories, was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He married on the 6th Jan 1787 at The Church of Our Lady and Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, Margaret "Peggy" HUTTON, born 1761.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<references /></div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=William_HUTTON&diff=691William HUTTON2009-03-31T17:57:24Z<p>BobForrest: Created page with 'All that is definitely known about Margaret Hutton's father is his given name. The LDS transcribed British Isles Parish Records for the non-conforming churches of Liverpool (Benn...'</p>
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<div>All that is definitely known about Margaret Hutton's father is his given name. The LDS transcribed British Isles Parish Records for the non-conforming churches of Liverpool (Benns Garden or Renshaw St. Presbyterian or Unitarian) have this entry: Margaret "Pegey" Hutton, christened 4 Oct 1761. Father William Hutton, mother _____.<br />
(LDS sealed: "E 16 Mar 1985, IFALL").<br />
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==Family==<br />
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William Hutton's wife is unkown. A good possibility is Ellinn Jump, daughter of Thomas Jump of Liverpool (see Notes, below). The onomastics support this possibility as well: James Forrest and Margaret Hutton named their eldest son Thomas, and also named a daughter Ellen.<br />
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William and his wife had issue:<br />
:i. '''Thomas Hutton''', born 28th August 1741, christened at Liverpool the same month <ref>LDS Transcribed Parish Registers</ref><br />
:ii. [Watch this space]<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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Possibilities for wife of William Hutton, from LDS transcribed Scottish Parish Records:<br />
:1. Ellinn Jump, m. 18 Oct 1740, Walton on the Hill, Lancashire [3 miles North of Liverpool]. [An Ellen was bp. 1721, dau. of Thomas Jump. Thomas Jump was one of the leading Liverpool merchants of the day]<br />
:2. Jane McCalpie, m. 1737, St. Ninians<br />
:3. Janet Bains, m. 1738, St. Andrews and St. Leonards, Fife.<br />
:4. Jane HALL, Marriage: 27 Jul 1745, Saint John, Preston, Lancashire.<br />
:5. Margt. WOODBURN, Marriage: 30 Sep 1746, Saint Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire.<br />
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Andrew Hutton, m. Mary Miller Mar 1763.<br />
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Avero Publications Biography Database 1680-1830 [UK/USA sources, online Ancestry.com]:<br />
Hutton, Capt. William, Cleveland Square, Liverpool<br />
Listed in Liverpool Directory for 1766, Gore 1766.<br />
Record 1258855<br />
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Hutton, William, Edinburgh<br />
Occupation: merchant, commerce<br />
Subscribed to Hist. of the sufferings of the Church of Scotland... (Vol. 1), 1721, Robert Wodrow. Edinburgh<br />
Subject: history, religion, record 44066.<br />
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Stirling Parish Register:<br />
25 Sep 1836--William Hutton, Esq., of this parish and Miss Agnes Fitzmaurice, parish of Duagh, Ireland.<br />
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7 Jun 1821 James Hutton, son of Andrew Hutton and eliz. MacGregor, bp. Stirling.<br />
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Rootsweb Hutton-L Group:<br />
...Entry in Gores Advertiser 21 Jan 1802 states :-<br />
"George HUTTON<br />
Longest established Merchant in Liverpool<br />
Died on Saturday 16 Jan 1802, aged 72 years."<br />
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George Hutton of Liverpool, ship-chandler, bankrupt 1842. Petitioner Robert Hutton, merchant of Liverpool.<br />
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A well-known William Hutton of Liverpool (1723-1815), had a daughter Catherine; unlikley to have a child born in 1741.<br />
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(Under Construction by Robert Forrest, March 2009)<br />
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==References==<br />
<references></div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=Child_FORREST_(1790-1791)&diff=690Child FORREST (1790-1791)2009-03-31T17:00:39Z<p>BobForrest: Created page with 'Stirling Parish Register, Deaths: 11 Dec 1791, Mr. Forrest's child.'</p>
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<div>Stirling Parish Register, Deaths:<br />
11 Dec 1791, Mr. Forrest's child.</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=689James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-31T16:59:45Z<p>BobForrest: /* Family */</p>
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<div>'''James FORREST''' (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
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''"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."''<br />
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== Career ==<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and later out of Alloa, Clackmannanshire.<br />
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There is a very good possibility that James was the master of a Liverpool slaver and privateer: most ships sailing out of Liverpool in the late 1700s were slavers. His name appears in a list of slavers operating 1789-1791, in the House of Commons Sessional Papes of the Eighteenth Century: "Liverpool:...Ralph Fisher & John Kewley & Patrick Kewley (plus James Forrest, William Jackson, John Hewan); ..."<br />
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and in the book, ''History of the Liverpool Privateers'', Gomer Williams, 1966, a Liverpool newspaper story of the time is given:<br />
''"…1793, May-Nov…The Robust, Captain Forrest, recaptured the Little Joe, Capt. Jones, and the Echo, Captain Kelly (the latter with 120 negroes on board), two Liverpool Slavers, which had been taken on the windward coast of Africa by the Liberty of Bordeaux, which also took the Union, Capt. Farrington, the Mercury, Capt. Hewitt, the Hazard, Capt. Rigby, the Prosperity, Capt. Kelsall, all engaged in the man traffic. The Mercury was retaken by the Seaflower cutter...The Prosperity was also retaken by the Andromache frigate, and carried into Barbadoes. The Robust had the good fortune to capture a French ship, with about 200 slaves, at Cape Mount, and in Nov. 1793 we read that she took, on the coast, a large French ship, called Le Patriote Soldat, with 260 slaves and a cargo of goods, and carried the prize to Dominica."''<br />
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Captain Forrest's ship, 'The Robust', was perhaps identical with a French ship, 'La Robuste', engaged in the same slaving/privateering trade. Both Britain and France authorized slavers to act as privateers in the war, and it was not uncommon for ships to be captured, refitted and renamed, and then go into service for the opposite side. It also was not unusual to capture a prize, only to have the prize recaptured before it could make port. <br />
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Prize ships were valuable, and the ship's captain received a good share of the prize money. This could explain how it was possible for Capt. James Forrest to retire with his Liverpool wife and family to live in Alloa, and then in Stirling, where he died some time between 1810 and 1820. His wealth also provided for his three unmarried daughters to live out their lives together in their own house.<br />
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== Family ==<br />
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On 6 January 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool <ref>Liverpool Parish Records (LDS Microfilm)</ref>. The preceding and following entries in the parish record also describe the groom as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Together James and Margaret had issue:<br />
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:i. '''[[James FORREST (1787-1810)|James FORREST]]''', baptised 14th October 1787 at Paradice Street Presbyterian Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire<br />
:ii. '''[[Eleanor Anne FORREST (1789-1877)|Eleanor Anne FORREST]]''', born August 1789.<br />
:iii. '''[[Child FORREST (1790-1791)|Child FORREST]]''', born 1790-1791, died 11th December 1791 in Stirling, Scotland <ref>Stirling Parish Register (LDS Microfilm)</ref>.<br />
:iv. '''William Hutton FORREST''', baptised 13th July 1795 in Stirling, Scotland <ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0239]]</ref>, died before 1799.<br />
:v. '''Jean Wear FORREST''', baptised 14th March 1797 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0248]]</ref>, died before 1832.<br />
:vi. '''[[William Hutton FORREST (1799-1879)|William Hutton FORREST]]''', baptised 25th March 1799 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0264]]</ref>.<br />
:vi. '''[[Margaret FORREST (1802-1886)|Margaret FORREST]]''', baptised 27th May 1802 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0304]]</ref>.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<references/><br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 31 Mar 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=688James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-31T16:58:01Z<p>BobForrest: /* Family */</p>
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<div>'''James FORREST''' (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
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''"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."''<br />
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== Career ==<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and later out of Alloa, Clackmannanshire.<br />
<br />
There is a very good possibility that James was the master of a Liverpool slaver and privateer: most ships sailing out of Liverpool in the late 1700s were slavers. His name appears in a list of slavers operating 1789-1791, in the House of Commons Sessional Papes of the Eighteenth Century: "Liverpool:...Ralph Fisher & John Kewley & Patrick Kewley (plus James Forrest, William Jackson, John Hewan); ..."<br />
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and in the book, ''History of the Liverpool Privateers'', Gomer Williams, 1966, a Liverpool newspaper story of the time is given:<br />
''"…1793, May-Nov…The Robust, Captain Forrest, recaptured the Little Joe, Capt. Jones, and the Echo, Captain Kelly (the latter with 120 negroes on board), two Liverpool Slavers, which had been taken on the windward coast of Africa by the Liberty of Bordeaux, which also took the Union, Capt. Farrington, the Mercury, Capt. Hewitt, the Hazard, Capt. Rigby, the Prosperity, Capt. Kelsall, all engaged in the man traffic. The Mercury was retaken by the Seaflower cutter...The Prosperity was also retaken by the Andromache frigate, and carried into Barbadoes. The Robust had the good fortune to capture a French ship, with about 200 slaves, at Cape Mount, and in Nov. 1793 we read that she took, on the coast, a large French ship, called Le Patriote Soldat, with 260 slaves and a cargo of goods, and carried the prize to Dominica."''<br />
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Captain Forrest's ship, 'The Robust', was perhaps identical with a French ship, 'La Robuste', engaged in the same slaving/privateering trade. Both Britain and France authorized slavers to act as privateers in the war, and it was not uncommon for ships to be captured, refitted and renamed, and then go into service for the opposite side. It also was not unusual to capture a prize, only to have the prize recaptured before it could make port. <br />
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Prize ships were valuable, and the ship's captain received a good share of the prize money. This could explain how it was possible for Capt. James Forrest to retire with his Liverpool wife and family to live in Alloa, and then in Stirling, where he died some time between 1810 and 1820. His wealth also provided for his three unmarried daughters to live out their lives together in their own house.<br />
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== Family ==<br />
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On 6 January 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool <ref>Liverpool Parish Records (LDS Microfilm)</ref>. The preceding and following entries in the parish record also describe the groom as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Together James and Margaret had issue:<br />
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:i. '''[[James FORREST (1787-1810)|James FORREST]]''', baptised 14th October 1787 at Paradice Street Presbyterian Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire<br />
:ii. '''[[Eleanor Anne FORREST (1789-1877)|Eleanor Anne FORREST]]''', born August 1789.<br />
:iii. '''Child FORREST''', born 1790-1791, died 11th December 1791 in Stirling, Scotland <ref>Stirling Parish Register (LDS Microfilm)</ref>.<br />
:iv. '''William Hutton FORREST''', baptised 13th July 1795 in Stirling, Scotland <ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0239]]</ref>, died before 1799.<br />
:v. '''Jean Wear FORREST''', baptised 14th March 1797 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0248]]</ref>, died before 1832.<br />
:vi. '''[[William Hutton FORREST (1799-1879)|William Hutton FORREST]]''', baptised 25th March 1799 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0264]]</ref>.<br />
:vi. '''[[Margaret FORREST (1802-1886)|Margaret FORREST]]''', baptised 27th May 1802 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0304]]</ref>.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<references/><br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 31 Mar 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=687James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-31T16:22:48Z<p>BobForrest: /* Family */</p>
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<div>'''James FORREST''' (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
<br />
''"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."''<br />
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== Career ==<br />
<br />
James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and later out of Alloa, Clackmannanshire.<br />
<br />
There is a very good possibility that James was the master of a Liverpool slaver and privateer: most ships sailing out of Liverpool in the late 1700s were slavers. His name appears in a list of slavers operating 1789-1791, in the House of Commons Sessional Papes of the Eighteenth Century: "Liverpool:...Ralph Fisher & John Kewley & Patrick Kewley (plus James Forrest, William Jackson, John Hewan); ..."<br />
<br />
and in the book, ''History of the Liverpool Privateers'', Gomer Williams, 1966, a Liverpool newspaper story of the time is given:<br />
''"…1793, May-Nov…The Robust, Captain Forrest, recaptured the Little Joe, Capt. Jones, and the Echo, Captain Kelly (the latter with 120 negroes on board), two Liverpool Slavers, which had been taken on the windward coast of Africa by the Liberty of Bordeaux, which also took the Union, Capt. Farrington, the Mercury, Capt. Hewitt, the Hazard, Capt. Rigby, the Prosperity, Capt. Kelsall, all engaged in the man traffic. The Mercury was retaken by the Seaflower cutter...The Prosperity was also retaken by the Andromache frigate, and carried into Barbadoes. The Robust had the good fortune to capture a French ship, with about 200 slaves, at Cape Mount, and in Nov. 1793 we read that she took, on the coast, a large French ship, called Le Patriote Soldat, with 260 slaves and a cargo of goods, and carried the prize to Dominica."''<br />
<br />
Captain Forrest's ship, 'The Robust', was perhaps identical with a French ship, 'La Robuste', engaged in the same slaving/privateering trade. Both Britain and France authorized slavers to act as privateers in the war, and it was not uncommon for ships to be captured, refitted and renamed, and then go into service for the opposite side. It also was not unusual to capture a prize, only to have the prize recaptured before it could make port. <br />
<br />
Prize ships were valuable, and the ship's captain received a good share of the prize money. This could explain how it was possible for Capt. James Forrest to retire with his Liverpool wife and family to live in Alloa, and then in Stirling, where he died some time between 1810 and 1820. His wealth also provided for his three unmarried daughters to live out their lives together in their own house.<br />
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== Family ==<br />
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On 6 January 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool <ref>Liverpool Parish Records (LDS Microfilm)</ref>. The preceding and following entries in the parish record also describe the groom as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Together James and Margaret had issue:<br />
<br />
:i. '''[[James FORREST (1787-1810)|James FORREST]]''', baptised 14th October 1787 at Paradice Street Presbyterian Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire<br />
:ii. '''[[Eleanor Anne FORREST (1789-1877)|Eleanor Anne FORREST]]''', born August 1789.<br />
:iii. '''William Hutton FORREST''', baptised 13th July 1795 in Stirling, Scotland <ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0239]]</ref>, died before 1799.<br />
:iv. '''Jean Wear FORREST''', baptised 14th March 1797 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0248]]</ref>, died before 1832.<br />
:v. '''[[William Hutton FORREST (1799-1879)|William Hutton FORREST]]''', baptised 25th March 1799 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0264]]</ref>.<br />
:vi. '''[[Margaret FORREST (1802-1886)|Margaret FORREST]]''', baptised 27th May 1802 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0304]]</ref>.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<references/><br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 31 Mar 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=686James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-31T16:21:58Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>'''James FORREST''' (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
<br />
''"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."''<br />
<br />
== Career ==<br />
<br />
James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and later out of Alloa, Clackmannanshire.<br />
<br />
There is a very good possibility that James was the master of a Liverpool slaver and privateer: most ships sailing out of Liverpool in the late 1700s were slavers. His name appears in a list of slavers operating 1789-1791, in the House of Commons Sessional Papes of the Eighteenth Century: "Liverpool:...Ralph Fisher & John Kewley & Patrick Kewley (plus James Forrest, William Jackson, John Hewan); ..."<br />
<br />
and in the book, ''History of the Liverpool Privateers'', Gomer Williams, 1966, a Liverpool newspaper story of the time is given:<br />
''"…1793, May-Nov…The Robust, Captain Forrest, recaptured the Little Joe, Capt. Jones, and the Echo, Captain Kelly (the latter with 120 negroes on board), two Liverpool Slavers, which had been taken on the windward coast of Africa by the Liberty of Bordeaux, which also took the Union, Capt. Farrington, the Mercury, Capt. Hewitt, the Hazard, Capt. Rigby, the Prosperity, Capt. Kelsall, all engaged in the man traffic. The Mercury was retaken by the Seaflower cutter...The Prosperity was also retaken by the Andromache frigate, and carried into Barbadoes. The Robust had the good fortune to capture a French ship, with about 200 slaves, at Cape Mount, and in Nov. 1793 we read that she took, on the coast, a large French ship, called Le Patriote Soldat, with 260 slaves and a cargo of goods, and carried the prize to Dominica."''<br />
<br />
Captain Forrest's ship, 'The Robust', was perhaps identical with a French ship, 'La Robuste', engaged in the same slaving/privateering trade. Both Britain and France authorized slavers to act as privateers in the war, and it was not uncommon for ships to be captured, refitted and renamed, and then go into service for the opposite side. It also was not unusual to capture a prize, only to have the prize recaptured before it could make port. <br />
<br />
Prize ships were valuable, and the ship's captain received a good share of the prize money. This could explain how it was possible for Capt. James Forrest to retire with his Liverpool wife and family to live in Alloa, and then in Stirling, where he died some time between 1810 and 1820. His wealth also provided for his three unmarried daughters to live out their lives together in their own house.<br />
<br />
== Family ==<br />
<br />
On 6 January 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool <ref>Liverpool Parish Records (LDS Microfilm)</ref>. The preceding and following entries in the parish record also describe the groom as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Together James and Margaret had issue:<br />
<br />
:i. '''[[James FORREST (1787-1810)|James FORREST]]''', baptised 14th October 1787 at Paradice Street Presbyterian Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire<br />
:ii. '''[[Eleanor Anne FORREST (1789-1877)|Eleanor Anne FORREST]]''', born August 1789.<br />
:iii. '''William Hutton FORREST''', baptised 13th July 1795 in Stirling, Scotland <ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0239]]</ref>, died before 1799.<br />
:iv. '''Jean Wear FORREST''', baptised 14th March 1797 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0248]]</ref> but died before 1832.<br />
:v. '''[[William Hutton FORREST (1799-1879)|William Hutton FORREST]]''', baptised 25th March 1799 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0264]]</ref>.<br />
:vi. '''[[Margaret FORREST (1802-1886)|Margaret FORREST]]''', baptised 27th May 1802 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0304]]</ref>.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<references/><br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 31 Mar 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=685James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-31T16:16:12Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>'''James FORREST''' (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
<br />
''"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."''<br />
<br />
== Career ==<br />
<br />
James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and later out of Alloa, Clackmannanshire.<br />
<br />
There is a very good possibility that James was the master of a Liverpool slaver and privateer: most ships sailing out of Liverpool in the late 1700s were slavers. His name appears in a list of slavers operating 1789-1791, in the House of Commons Sessional Papes of the Eighteenth Century: "Liverpool:...Ralph Fisher & John Kewley & Patrick Kewley (plus James Forrest, William Jackson, John Hewan); ..."<br />
<br />
and in the book, ''History of the Liverpool Privateers'', Gomer Williams, 1966, a Liverpool newspaper story of the time is given:<br />
''"…1793, May-Nov…The Robust, Captain Forrest, recaptured the Little Joe, Capt. Jones, and the Echo, Captain Kelly (the latter with 120 negroes on board), two Liverpool Slavers, which had been taken on the windward coast of Africa by the Liberty of Bordeaux, which also took the Union, Capt. Farrington, the Mercury, Capt. Hewitt, the Hazard, Capt. Rigby, the Prosperity, Capt. Kelsall, all engaged in the man traffic. The Mercury was retaken by the Seaflower cutter...The Prosperity was also retaken by the Andromache frigate, and carried into Barbadoes. The Robust had the good fortune to capture a French ship, with about 200 slaves, at Cape Mount, and in Nov. 1793 we read that she took, on the coast, a large French ship, called Le Patriote Soldat, with 260 slaves and a cargo of goods, and carried the prize to Dominica."''<br />
<br />
Captain Forrest's ship, 'The Robust', was perhaps identical with a French ship, 'La Robuste', engaged in the same slaving/privateering trade. Both Britain and France authorized slavers to act as privateers in the war, and it was not uncommon for ships to be captured, refitted and renamed, and then go into service for the opposite side. It also was not unusual to capture a prize, only to have the prize recaptured before it could make port. <br />
<br />
Prize ships were valuable, and the ship's captain received a good share of the prize money. This could explain how it was possible for Capt. James Forrest to retire with his Liverpool wife and family to live in Alloa, and then in Stirling, where he died some time between 1810 and 1820. His wealth also provided for his three unmarried daughters to live out their lives together in their own house.<br />
<br />
== Family ==<br />
<br />
On 6 January 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool <ref>Liverpool Parish Records (LDS Microfilm)</ref>. The preceding and following entries in the parish record also describe the groom as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Together James and Margaret had issue:<br />
<br />
:i. '''[[James FORREST (1787-1810)|James FORREST]]''', baptised 14th October 1787 at Paradice Street Presbyterian Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire<br />
:ii. '''[[Eleanor Anne FORREST (1789-1877)|Eleanor Anne FORREST]]''', born August 1789.<br />
:iii. '''William Hutton FORREST''', baptised 13th July 1795 in Stirling, Scotland <ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0239]]</ref>.<br />
:iv. '''Jean Wear FORREST''', baptised 14th March 1797 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0248]]</ref> but died before 1832.<br />
:v. '''[[William Hutton FORREST (1799-1879)|William Hutton FORREST]]''', baptised 25th March 1799 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0264]]</ref>.<br />
:vi. '''[[Margaret FORREST (1802-1886)|Margaret FORREST]]''', baptised 27th May 1802 in Stirling, Scotland<ref>[[Old Parochial Register, Births, Stirling, OPR Ref. 490/0030 0304]]</ref>.<br />
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== References ==<br />
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<references/><br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 31 Mar 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=338James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-19T03:57:58Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>[[James FORREST]] (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
<br />
James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and later out of Alloa, Clackmannanshire.<br />
<br />
On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool <ref>LDS microfilm of Liverpool Parish Records</ref>. The preceding and following entries in the parish record also describe the groom as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. <br />
<br />
There is a very good possibility that James was the master of a Liverpool slaver and privateer: most ships sailing out of Liverpool in the late 1700s were slavers. His name appears in a list of slavers operating 1789-1791, in the House of Commons Sessional Papes of the Eighteenth Century: "Liverpool:...Ralph Fisher & John Kewley & Patrick Kewley (plus James Forrest, William Jackson, John Hewan); ..."<br />
<br />
and in the book, ''History of the Liverpool Privateers'', Gomer Williams, 1966, a Liverpool newspaper story of the time is given:<br />
"…1793, May-Nov…The Robust, Captain Forrest, recaptured the Little Joe, Capt. Jones, and the Echo, Captain Kelly (the latter with 120 negroes on board), two Liverpool Slavers, which had been taken on the windward coast of Africa by the Liberty of Bordeaux, which also took the Union, Capt. Farrington, the Mercury, Capt. Hewitt, the Hazard, Capt. Rigby, the Prosperity, Capt. Kelsall, all engaged in the man traffic. The Mercury was retaken by the Seaflower cutter...The Prosperity was also retaken by the Andromache frigate, and carried into Barbadoes. The Robust had the good fortune to capture a French ship, with about 200 slaves, at Cape Mount, and in Nov. 1793 we read that she took, on the coast, a large French ship, called Le Patriote Soldat, with 260 slaves and a cargo of goods, and carried the prize to Dominica."<br />
<br />
Captain Forrest's ship, 'The Robust', was perhaps identical with a French ship, 'La Robuste', engaged in the same slaving/privateering trade. Both Britain and France authorized slavers to act as privateers in the war, and it was not uncommon for ships to be captured, refitted and renamed, and then go into service for the opposite side. It also was not unusual to capture a prize, only to have the prize recaptured before it could make port. <br />
<br />
Prize ships were valuable, and the ship's captain received a good share of the prize money. This could explain how it was possible for Capt. James Forrest to retire with his Liverpool wife and family to live in Alloa, and then in Stirling, where he died some time between 1810 and 1820. His wealth also provided for his three unmarried daughters to live out their lives together in their own house.<br />
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References<br />
1. LDS Microfilm of Liverpool Parish Records<br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 18 Mar 20009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=Margaret_HUTTON&diff=337Margaret HUTTON2009-03-19T01:49:05Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>Margaret "Peggy" HUTTON was born 24 Sep 1761 in Liverpool, Lancashire. She was christened 4 Oct 1761 at the Paradise Street Chapel (Presbyterian)<br />
[Baptisms 1709-1837], Liverpool, Lancashire, England.<br />
She was the daughter of [[William HUTTON]] of Liverpool and his wife, possibly named [[Ellen JUMP]].<br />
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She married James Forrest, mariner, 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). <br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest, March 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=336James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-19T01:48:02Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>[[James FORREST]] (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
<br />
James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and later out of Alloa, Clackmannanshire.<br />
<br />
On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool <ref>. The preceding and following entries in the parish record also describe the groom as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. <br />
<br />
There is a very good possibility that James was the master of a Liverpool slaver and privateer: most ships sailing out of Liverpool in the late 1700s were slavers. His name appears in a list of slavers operating 1789-1791, in the House of Commons Sessional Papes of the Eighteenth Century: "Liverpool:...Ralph Fisher & John Kewley & Patrick Kewley (plus James Forrest, William Jackson, John Hewan); ..."<br />
<br />
and in the book, ''History of the Liverpool Privateers'', Gomer Williams, 1966, a Liverpool newspaper story of the time is given:<br />
"…1793, May-Nov…The Robust, Captain Forrest, recaptured the Little Joe, Capt. Jones, and the Echo, Captain Kelly (the latter with 120 negroes on board), two Liverpool Slavers, which had been taken on the windward coast of Africa by the Liberty of Bordeaux, which also took the Union, Capt. Farrington, the Mercury, Capt. Hewitt, the Hazard, Capt. Rigby, the Prosperity, Capt. Kelsall, all engaged in the man traffic. The Mercury was retaken by the Seaflower cutter, and sold to Capt. Hewitt, who by the way, lived in Murray-street, Williamson-square, “adjoining the rope walk,” when he was not prosecuting his humane mission in Africa, etc. The Prosperity was also retaken by the Andromache frigate, and carried into Barbadoes. The Robust had the good fortune to capture a French ship, with about 200 slaves, at Cape Mount, and in Nov. 1793 we read that she took, on the coast, a large French ship, called Le Patriote Soldat, with 260 slaves and a cargo of goods, and carried the prize to Dominica."<br />
<br />
Both Britain and France authorized slavers to act as privateers in these wars, and it was not uncommon for ships to capture a prize, only to have the prize recaptured before it could make port. Captain Forrest's ship, 'The Robust', was perhaps identical with a French ship, 'La Robuste', engaged in the same slaving/privateering trade. <br />
<br />
Prize ships were worth a great deal of money, and the ship's captain received a good share of the prize money. This could explain how it was possible for Capt. James Forrest to retire with his Liverpool wife and family to live in Alloa, and then in Stirling, where he died some time between 1810 and 1820.<br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 18 Mar 20009)<br />
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==LDS microfilm of Liverpool Parish Records==</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(1787-1810)&diff=335James FORREST (1787-1810)2009-03-19T00:34:15Z<p>BobForrest: Created page with 'James FORREST was baptized 14 OCT 1787 at the Paradice Street Presbyterian Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire. He was the son of James "the Mariner" Forrest and his wife Margaret "Peg...'</p>
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<div>James FORREST was baptized 14 OCT 1787 at the Paradice Street Presbyterian Chapel, Liverpool, Lancashire. He was the son of James "the Mariner" Forrest and his wife Margaret "Peggy" Hutton.<br />
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James set out to follow his father's career as a mariner. In the family papers is an impressment protection notice [used to protect seamen from being impressed into the Royal Navy], dated 17 Dec 1803: " ...the Bearer James Forest has bound himself Apprentice to James Forest of Alloa to serve at sea, by indenture dated the 24 March 1803 and that he never used the sea before that time; and he being therefore entitled to a Protection in pursuance of the said Act of Parliament, to free and exempt him being impressed for the space of Three Years from the aforementioned date of his indenture...". The left margin has a description of James Forest: "A fair complexion and smooth faced", not unreasonable considering James was only 16 at the time!<br />
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Sadly, in only a few years James contracted tuberculosis and died 19 Mar 1810. An 1822 letter from Dr. James Dinsmore of Stirling to Dr. William Hutton Forrest mentions "...your brother died of phthisis...". Phthisis is another word for tuberculosis. (Dr. Dinsmore was the partner of Dr. John Forrest (1761-1822) of Stirling.<br />
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James' last letter to his sister Eleanor Forrest was dated 30 Jan 1810, and probably written from Liverpool. In the letter he mentions his 'Aunt Jenny' and 'Aunt Ann', both older sisters of his mother Margaret Hutton. He also writes, "My uncle has a new ship launched called the "Mag" (May?)... I should have gone chief mate, but my health would not allow me...". The letter is signed, "Your affectionate brother, James Forrest."<br />
On the edge of the letter in a different hand, is written:<br />
"James Forrest Born Oct 8th 17__ <br />
Died March 19th 1810"</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=334James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-18T22:59:16Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>[[James FORREST]] (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
<br />
James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and also Alloa, Clackmannanshire<br />
<br />
On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). For the preceding and following entries, the groom is also described as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Following a plague in the town, it was consecrated in 1362. <br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest 18 Mar 20009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=Margaret_HUTTON&diff=333Margaret HUTTON2009-03-18T22:57:39Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>Margaret "Peggy" HUTTON was born 24 Sep 1761 in Liverpool, Lancashire. She was christened 4 Oct 1761 at the Paradise Street Chapel (Presbyterian)<br />
[Baptisms 1709-1837], Liverpool, Lancashire, England.<br />
She was the daughter of [[William HUTTON]] of Liverpool and his wife, possibly named [[Ellen JUMP]].<br />
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She married [[James FORREST]], mariner, 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). <br />
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(Under construction by Robert Forrest, March 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=Margaret_HUTTON&diff=332Margaret HUTTON2009-03-18T22:56:00Z<p>BobForrest: Created page with 'Margaret "Peggy" HUTTON was born 24 Sep 1761 in Liverpool, Lancashire. She was christened 4 Oct 1761 at the Paradise Street Chapel (Presbyterian) [Baptisms 1709-1837], Liverpool,...'</p>
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<div>Margaret "Peggy" HUTTON was born 24 Sep 1761 in Liverpool, Lancashire. She was christened 4 Oct 1761 at the Paradise Street Chapel (Presbyterian)<br />
[Baptisms 1709-1837], Liverpool, Lancashire, England.<br />
She was the daughter of [[William HUTTON]] of Liverpool and his wife, possibly named [[Ellen JUMP]].<br />
<br />
(Under construction by Robert Forrest, March 2009)</div>BobForresthttps://www.rootsunearthed.com/index.php?title=James_FORREST_(c1740-Unknown)&diff=329James FORREST (c1740-Unknown)2009-03-18T22:52:00Z<p>BobForrest: </p>
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<div>James FORREST (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and also Alloa, Clackmannanshire<br />
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On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret HUTTON]], spinster of Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). For the preceding and following entries, the groom is also described as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Following a plague in the town, it was consecrated in 1362. <br />
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<div>James FORREST (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and also Alloa, Clackmannanshire<br />
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On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret Hutton]], spinster of Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). For the preceding and following entries, the groom is also described as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Following a plague in the town, it was consecrated in 1362. <br />
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<div>James FORREST (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and also Alloa, Clackmannanshire<br />
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On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [[Margaret Hutton]], spinster of Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). For the preceding and following entries, the groom is also described as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Following a plague in the town, it was consecrated in 1362. <br />
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<div>James FORREST (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and also Alloa, Clackmannanshire<br />
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On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married [Margaret Hutton], spinster of Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). For the preceding and following entries, the groom is also described as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Following a plague in the town, it was consecrated in 1362. <br />
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<div>James FORREST (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". Much of what is known about him is contained in the following family story told by his great granddaughter Margaret Forrest (1882-1961)in the early 1900s:<br />
"My great, great grandfather James Forrest was a farmer near Bathgate. My great grandfather was brought up by his uncle the minister of Inverkeithing (Dr. Johnstone's great grandfather). As his father had such a bad temper his mother on her death bed told him he was not to strike him, so he used to throw his stick at him. The stick is a very fine Malacca cane, we have it, but there is no James Forrest to get it. Then my great grandfather became a sailor and was taken prisoner by the French on the Gold Coast. He came home with gold which was made into a watch which my aunts have. It does not go very well, the works being done. He was married twice, the first family have all disappeared. He married a Liverpool lady, a Miss Hutton who was a great beauty and who came to live in Stirling. They went to Alloa to get a ship for James his eldest son who was a sailor. He fell from the mast and hurt himself and died young. They then went to Stirling and bought Whinfield."<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanarkshire and also Alloa, Clackmannanshire<br />
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On 6 Jan 1787, at Our Lady and St. Nicholas Church, Liverpool, James Forrest, mariner of Liverpool, married Margaret Hutton, spinster of Liverpool (microfilm of parish record). For the preceding and following entries, the groom is also described as a mariner. Known as the sailors' church, Our Lady and St Nicholas has been a presence in the city since its establishment as a chapel in the 14th century. Following a plague in the town, it was consecrated in 1362. <br />
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<div>James FORREST (called James The Mariner here to distinguish him from his father) was born sometime between 1740 and 1760, the son of James FORREST "The Farmer". His parentage is known only from the following family story told by his granddaughter Margaret Anne Forrest (1849-1932)in the early 1900s:<br />
"When young, he was taken prisoner by the French off the Gold Coast. When he returned home, he brought some gold with him which was made into a watch. We still have the watch but it no longer keeps time.<br />
His father's name was also James, a farmer near Bathgate. His father had a bad temper; he made his wife a deathbed promise not to hit their son with a stick. He kept the promise by throwing the stick at him instead. The stick was a fine Malacca cane, and is also still in the family.<br />
James was brought up by his uncle, David Forrest, a minister of Inverkeithing.<br />
James's first wife died. After he married Margaret Hutton, they moved to Stirling and bought Whinfield.<br />
At time of his marriage to Margaret was Master, Royal Merchant Service.<br />
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James appears to have settled on a career as a mariner early in life. He sailed out of Liverpool, Lanark and Alloa, Clackmannanshire<br />
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